Dear Zachary was then voted the #3 audience favorite of the festival by viewer ballot, out of the 172 distinguished documentaries screening at Hot Docs. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Except this story is worse. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. Is it OK? I had a job I loved. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Understood? He had been shot five times and the No. Or it's in the car. You can't tell them this over the phone. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." The memory of that visit is of a crying Zachary being taken away from them. She was deranged. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. Zachary didn't seem like. If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. Oh my god. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Cpl. then one day I realized what it was. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Blu-ray: Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? But that is what the Bagbys. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). I'm tired of this. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. This is what that fucking bitch didnt know, David Bagby fumes towards the end of Dear Zachary. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. IMDbPro Starmeter. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Was it a tight bond? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Dear Zachary had its Canadian premiere at the Hot Docs International Documentary Film Festival in Toronto, where it was welcomed by a line down the street and around the block to get in. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. December 15, 2009: And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' You know? Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. Well never understand how anybody can ignore the fact that murderers are dangerous, he said. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. Hoping to gain custody of the child, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland. Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. will not hurt Zachary, period. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." Click HERE for ticket information. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. And in that way this tragedy remains hers and hers alone. They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. Kuennes fast-talking exposition, while confusing, seems purposeful, as though the murder were a necessary backstory to be pushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to the heart of the narrative: Andrew Bagbys life and how horrible his death was for those who loved him. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. I sat there. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Then, suddenly, tears. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Right? GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. December 10, 2007: Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. It opens with a gushing montage of the friends of a doctor named Andrew Bagby, none of whom have one real bad word about him. In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. It will make you question your faith in the world. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. But you will come away believing in people. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. "One of the best documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life a film that will rock you to your core. In the end, she died, but love did not. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Zachary, I love you, baby. Mommy misses you. We. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. -. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. Did. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. They are simply good people. He said, `What can happen?'. In New York - August 8-14 at the IFC Center, 323 Sixth Avenue at W. 3rd Street. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. She was here.' But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Its not the sort of true crime that leaves you wanting more. Memorial University Medical School. And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. And we came back. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. 2015 - 20153 . On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. And we, would have agreed to anything. Now, she sucked us in here, too. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. decision. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Then, upon. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. Lori Kaufman rw. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. I extend my deepest thanks and greatest respect to MP Scott Andrews, his associate Ken Carter, Senator Tommy Banks, his executive assistantThrse Gauthier, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Anne Cools, Gord McIntosh and everyone in Parliament who saw across party lines to support this bill's passage into law. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. They are warm. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr. Shirley Turner,. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. You were done. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Do you understand? That gave her a chance to do something useful for some people who needed it, said David. I mean, the best man is really the groom. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. I had a husband I loved. If. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. They're like, `What do you mean?' 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition DigiPak: It would take two weeks. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. Mommy loves you. Its heartbreaking, said Kate, who recalls last seeing Zachary the evening before he was killed. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Wow." I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbysthe story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. -. I can say it like that because even without a trial, the evidence was so damning we might as well have been next to her when she carried out the crime. Slamdance Film Festival book signing! KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Cpl. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. Cpl. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. to reconsider getting some help with that. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. MORRISON: What do you do about this? He was the whole world to them. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. "We had to do something.. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. 2023 Cond Nast. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). STORY CONTINUES BELOW THESE SALTWIRE VIDEOS. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. I only live a block away.' Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. They've retired, hang out with friends and travel a bit, David Bagby said. Screening next at DocuWeek, the International Documentary Association's Theatrical Documentary Showcase. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland.
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